Support the mozdev Pledge Drive
Tuesday June 10th, 2003
The popular mozdev free project hosting site is requesting donations to fund ongoing hosting costs and pay for the purchase of a new server. Donate today to help the team reach their target of $2,500 by the end of Summer.
Update! David Boswell writes: "The response to the mozdev pledge drive has been amazing. I wanted to thank everyone for their generous donations so far and for giving us a great start on meeting our goal!"
#1 I just Donated & suggestion
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 1:51 AM
I just donated, and have one comment:
One thing that bothers me about PayPal is that there is no descriptive comment on our credit card bills by default ("Paypal *Kertz" is meaningless!).
If there is any way to add a comment that will appear on our CC bills, please do so. (e.g., MozDev Donation for hosting and new server").
#5 Re: I just Donated & suggestion
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 9:51 AM
MozDev could set it up so that "PAYPAL *MOZDEV" displays which seems adequate if not good.
I don't see any page similar to gnu.org's ThankGNU's page ( <http://www.gnu.org/thankgnus/thankgnus.html> ) on MozDev?. It's only polite to say thank you to people that support you! :)
#3 A Blake Ross blogs for mozillazine fundraiser?
by dadada <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 7:25 AM
I'd contribute more if the money would go towards Blake blogging more.
if not, why not? It'd be good to have uncle sam paying some of it.
If you read the donations page, you'll find that that's exactly what they're trying to set up. A non-profit org.
Well then it was a dumb move to have a pledge drive before setting up the organization. Donors can easily save a third of their donation (36% in my case). I am just going to hold off until they do that.
#10 Re:is it tax deductible? Re: I agree, I think Mozilla is pretty damn
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 2:47 PM
> I am just going to hold off until they do that.
Why not just donate 36% less than you would if it were a tax deductible organisation?
because I want Uncle Sam to shell out that 36%.
#15 re: because..
Thursday June 12th, 2003 1:51 AM
I'm no republican, but ... You can't expect the government to pay for everything!
You'd be doing more harm than good by not donating because you want to insist that the government pay taxmoney to things YOU think are important. If you truly believe in something, don't wait until everybody else is of the same opinion before you take action. Everybody has SOMETHING they think is important. No wonder taxes keep going up and are spent on frivolous things (they're trying to please the stubborn and short-sighted likes of you). <end rant>
I disagree. My point of view has nothing to do with big government. Subsidization of the private provision of public goods is one reason why governments are there. I am not asking the government to pay for my computer/cd/rent.
The law recognizes the public benefits coming from charitable/scientific/religious/etc... nonprofitable institutions. The benefits come in the provision of "public goods" (an economics concept standing for an indivisible good that benefits a number of people (as opposed to private goods). As economics teaches us, public goods are underprovided unless a government entity subsidizes their production (and I am skipping the full argument here). For whatever reason, tax law says that such subsidy comes in the form of a tax break on donations. I don't see why mozdev shouldn't take advantage of such law.
Why not use the free service of Source Forge?
#11 Re: Why not Source Forge
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 3:56 PM
I prefer the tools (bugzilla, for one) at mozdev to the ones at sourceforge. It's also really nice to have a mozilla-focused hosting service like mozdev. I suspect that lots of other people feel the same.
#9 Kagi allowed me to contribute
by Sailfish <email@example.com>
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 12:58 PM
I just noticed that one can use Kagi over PayPal for donations. Since PayPal is way too intrusive when taking my money, I no longer use it's services. Kagi is a much preferred method of payment, for me at least.
Anyway, it's in the email...
#16 Kagi allowed me to contribute
Thursday June 12th, 2003 1:56 AM
I'm interested in what you're saying. Could you be specific about how PayPal is intrusive, and how Kagi is not?
PS. ARGH, how do you get Mozilla to stop adding yet another "Password Saved" for every damn post I make here? I see no UI for adding mozillazine to the "Passwords never saved" side, AFTER i have allowed an entry for "login" and "PW" (but NOT "Title") in "Passwords Saved". How do you guys deal with this?
#20 Re: Kagi allowed me to contribute
by Sailfish <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Thursday June 12th, 2003 3:43 PM
PayPal used to only require a valid credit card number, along with contact information (normal credit card stuff.) However, about a year ago they put a hold on my account (claiming some nefarious activity with it but providing no information as to what that might have been) and before they will re-activate it they want a lot of extra-personal information which, quite frankly is none of their damn business. Thus, I refuse to use their service anymore.
Kagi, otoh, worked wonderfully ... just like a normal credit card transaction...
PS. I can't help you with the Password problem :-)
#12 OT: help - password manager is driving me crazy!
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 4:49 PM
Every time I submit a post here, a new entry is stored in the password manager (with identical user id). Every time a load one of these forum pages, I get a popup that lets me select which of the many "johann_p" i wont - what is wrong here? Is it a problem of Mozilla, the page?
#13 Re: OT: help - password manager is driving me craz
Wednesday June 11th, 2003 5:10 PM
well the page could work around the problem (they don't want to though), but it's basically Mozilla not being very smart - it's filed in bugzilla <http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=153986>
#17 how complicated would it be to fix the page?
Thursday June 12th, 2003 8:58 AM
I wonder what it would take then to work around it. It certainly drives me crazy and I am sure others are not very happy about this either. So how complicated would it be?
Yes, its quite amazing that the forums for the de-facto Mozilla news and development site doesn't work right when using Mozilla; but with IE it works fine.
#22 Re: how complicated would it be to fix the page?
Thursday June 12th, 2003 4:20 PM
"I wonder what it would take then to work around it. It certainly drives me crazy and I am sure others are not very happy about this either. So how complicated would it be?"
Password Manager is triggered by forms with an <input type="password"> element. When saving data, it grabs the contents of any textfields and possibly a few other form elements (but not stuff like the contents of textareas). It takes the contents of the first textfield to be the username.
With the MozillaZine Talkback pages, Password Manager remembers the contents of the Login, Password and Title fields. The first two will always be the same but the contents of the Title field will change from post to post. Therefore, each time you make a new post, Password Manager thinks it's a new set of login details and offers to save it. And if you let it, it will pop up a which-username-do-you-want-to-use dialogue each time you load a Talkback page.
Possible solutions to this include removing the Title field (not really viable) or creating a Hotmail-style page just for logging in (Password Manager handles these kinds of login systems very well). However, that would require making some quite major changes to the site's backend.
The best practical suggestion I have is to let Password Manager save your details once and then say 'Never for this Site' on the next occasion. That way Password Manager will stop bugging you and fill in the Login and Password boxes correctly. However, it will fill the Title field with whatever the title of your first post was, so you'll have to manually overwrite it each time.
#21 Re: OT: help - password manager is driving me craz
Thursday June 12th, 2003 3:59 PM
The password manager is just the lamest bit of mozilla EVER. I redid the submission form stuff twice to try and work around it's bugs, and each time a new one popped up, so for now, this is as best as it can be. Sorry