Minutes of the mozilla.org Staff Meeting of Monday 5th May 2003
Thursday May 8th, 2003
The minutes of the mozilla.org staff meeting of Monday 5th May 2003 are now online. Issues discussed include 1.3.1, 1.4 Beta, 1.4 final, the transition to Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla Firebird 0.6.
#1 This isn't going to cause any confusion at all
Thursday May 8th, 2003 11:23 PM
"Seamonkey Navigator, Seamonkey Messenger, Mozilla Browser, Mozilla Mail"
#5 Re: This isn't going to cause any confusion at all
Friday May 9th, 2003 12:25 AM
Is it possible to use -Zilla to indicate any standalone products and make it different from the rest of other Suite components.
Mozilla Browser = Mozilla (1.5 onward!);
Mozilla Mail = MailZilla ;
Mozilla Editor/Composer = ForgeZilla;
Mozilla Chat = ChatZilla;
Mozilla Calendar = DocketZilla;
Mozilla Address Book = CasaZilla;
Just my 0.0002$
I think that would be a great idea since it would make people realize that the new seperated apps are created by the Mozilla organization. I do think that Bugzilla will need an explanation of which product is which, otherwise 1.4 branch bugs might end up being in Mozilla Browser and 1.5 nightlies bugs might end up in Seamonkey Navigator. Also while you are updating Mozilla.org, I think it would be a good idea to reword the introduction where it says Mozilla is for testing purposes only. Instead it should say something along the lines of: Feel free to test and use the Mozilla releases. Nightly builds are available for testing, however they probably lack the stability for everyday use. Mozilla.org does not provide end user support.
Wasn't the idea to use Firebird/Thunderbird as the project names in eg Bugzilla, just as SeaMonkey will be used for the Mozilla application suite? Why using Mozilla Browser in bugzilla?
may have been the original idea, but it's not the idea now - "Mozilla Browser" is going to be used everywhere. "Firebird" will be used officially only from now until the 1.4 release, after that it'll only be an unofficial codename thing, like "Buffy" for the next Netscape release, or "Longhorn" for the next version of Windows.
From the branding document: "4. Use the names "Mozilla Browser" and "Mozilla Mail" to describe the Firebird and Thunderbird projects after the 1.4 release.
Also, this branding should be found throughout the projects if possible instead of referring to the Firebird and Thunderbird names directly. Project names are transitory. As long as we have both a mail and browser project, we should be using the mozilla brand and reinforcing it whenever we get the chance. [...] Product Naming in resources, executables and on the desktop
The Mozilla Browser and Mail programs should try to stick to the mozilla product name whenever possible, even in resource names. For example, registry keys would use a key name that includes "MozillaBrowser" or "Mozilla/Browser." For an executable you might use MozillaBrowser, mozilla-browser, mozbrwsr.exe or mozilla-browser.exe"
full doc is available from this <http://www.mozilla.org/roadmap/branding.html>
Makes sense to me... Mozilla Firbird is the name to the 'former Phoenix' befor the transition to 1.5
Once 1.4 get out, new branding goes into place... =) easy! (and no, it's not sarcasm)
Then, either there was much ado about nothing... or there is nothing because there was much ado. Seriously, if this was THE plan, then what was wrong with having Mozilla Phoenix as the transitionary name until 1.5?
Because everything the user sees will be labeled 'Mozilla Browser'? Calling it Mozilla Firebird in the bug database would just be confusing for people wanting to report bugs, especially those who are unaware of the history of the product.
Yes, I'm not suggesting that calling it Mozilla Firebird in bugzilla is a particulary good idea, I was just confused because I've heard for a very long time that "Firebird" would be the project name (used in e.g. bugzilla) and Mozilla Browser would be the used as the product name.
I guess that has changed now.
*Mozilla Firebird 0.6*
- A few more "Phoenix" things to rename - Released RSN
What does "Released RSN" mean?
#4 Re: RSN = ?
Friday May 9th, 2003 12:02 AM
It usually means Real Soon Now (RSN).
#14 A few more "Phoenix" things to rename
Friday May 9th, 2003 10:00 PM
Find and replace, ok? these guys are pathetic! RSN means Real Stupid Nuckleheads
And people that do nothing but complain and don't help only make us want to work faster!!
#16 you call what you're not doing WORK?
Friday May 9th, 2003 11:20 PM
you losers have been dragging this glendale release out ad nauseum
#17 For someone getting a gift, you're pretty rude...
Friday May 9th, 2003 11:50 PM
Why not try contributing some of your own time to a volunteer effort? That may give you some perspective on the "release date" situation....
#27 Re: Re: choice
Saturday May 10th, 2003 11:28 PM
Would you like me to wash your little dick for you, too?
Yes, since you seem to be incapable of doing anything else productive. When can you start?
#30 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice
Sunday May 11th, 2003 9:45 AM
As soon as you can find it. It seems to have disappeared along with your ability to get off your ass and do something.
Hmm? You seem to have major vision problems, as well as lack of sensation in your extremities. Have you considered seeing a doctor? Sounds like advanced leprosy or syphilis to me....
#34 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice
Sunday May 11th, 2003 12:38 PM
been fun trash talking with you, dickless. good luck with school. hope you learn something and get a job at microsoft. as far as firebird is concerned, going ahead and make a career out of releasing the next version. you're losing "interested end users" every day.
I have no plans to work in the computer industry, much less at Microsoft.
As for "firebird", I frankly could not care less about it.
#36 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice
Sunday May 11th, 2003 8:21 PM
me too. are you russian? here's a mozilla splash screen you might like. <http://mozilla.deskmod.co…howskin&skin_id=15640>
No, I am not russian. And I hate all splash screens with an equal and undying passion.
Thank God Mozilla does not use a splash on Unix by default. Further thank God for -nosplash on other platforms.
#38 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice
Monday May 12th, 2003 10:10 PM
Well, I tried being nice and it didn't work. A bit of a masochist, are we? Fine. Here’s your daily verbal abuse: Get a new name, Boris, you third world jackass. Unix is for losers who like doing everything the hard way, but that's you isn't it. Splash screens are just part of the commercialized western culture you must hate. And don't thank God. You don't believe in God, remember? You commie faggot!
#39 Re: Re: Re: Re: choice
Tuesday May 13th, 2003 10:50 PM
Gift? As opposed to what, charging me for it? What is this Opera? Since when, aren't browsers free? As for rude, isn't that what Boris means in Russian?
When it's a choice between having a real life or volunteering my time only to have people like you complain all the time, I'm glad bz's around to keep me interested in the projects.
#25 Re: choice
Saturday May 10th, 2003 9:08 PM
Some of the people, who complain about your project, also spend a significant amount of time supporting the browser and convincing people to try it, only to become dejected by hypocrisy, false promises, and lack of accountability. Make your project respectable and maybe people will support you for more than not being Microsoft.
#26 Re: Re: choice
Saturday May 10th, 2003 11:24 PM
Exactly. I still can't understand how changing the the name of the browser can be so time consuming. I'm inclined to believe that their are other unresolved issues with the release that are being held back. The responses to my cobservations have been overly defensive. Perhaps this is due to my "fantasy baseball trash talking" style of message postimg.
Nice to see the plan for the switch coming along nicely!
Yes, the *plan* is coming along nicely. As for the actual switch.... =)
(just kidding all you hard-working developer-type folks)
by ryanrafferty <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Saturday May 10th, 2003 1:45 PM
With the release of 1.5, I hope they take the design philosophy of 1.5 (leaner, meaner browser suite) and apply something similar to mozilla.org.
I think mozilla has a chance to go mainstream in a big way, but I think one part of that is how you market the software, and the ease of use of the website they are marketed on-- mozilla.org is lacking simplicity. I think just as mozilla components are being simplified and separated, compontents of the homepage should be simplified and separated too- keep it simple!
That's nice. Are you volunteering to do the work? If so, today is a good day to start coming up with a new website design.
I would be interested in coming up with a design for mozilla.org...hmm, maybe I can whip up something this week :)
What ever happened to that Zope redesign of mozilla.org? Nothing happened for a really long time and it just seems to have dissapeared or something. I can't find anything on it by searching mozilla.org.